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Re: Do materialists have convincing arguments?


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Craig
March 27, 2008 at 14:15:46:

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Do materialists have convincing arguments?
posted by
Carlos
March 27, 2008 at 14:06:59:

 
Hello Carlos,

Thanks for the kind comments and the link. Yes, we must all speak about what we know to bring light into a darkened world.

As to the materialists and Steven Pinker, our interpretation of reality must account for all the evidence. If we had all the evidence about our eternal selves, the afterlife, and psychic activity on note cards and spread them out on a huge table, we would have to draw conclusions that accommodated as many note cards as possible. That is logical positivism and satisfies the requirement for an explanation that fits Occam's Razor and the rule of parsimony. That means the explanation or conclusion we derive should fit as many of the facts on the cards as possible. We won't call it "Truth" because Truth changes as humankind changes. However, the explanation is the best fit for right now.

If we have a small number of facts that our explanation can't explain, we may stay with the only conclusion we have that fits the facts in most note cards until we have more knowledge that enables us to fit the facts in the few that don't quite fit now. That conclusion we come to must be the simplest one that includes the most facts from among competing explanations.

The problem with the materialists isn't that what they say isn't true--much is true. It's that their conclusions leave a large stack of notecards on the table without being included in the conclusion. When you look at their explanations for a third or two-thirds of the note cards, the conclusions do seem to fit the facts on those notecards. But what about the other third or two-thirds? They deny the others exist. They simply shove them off the table.

What they do is to come to the table with a conclusion. Those facts on note cards that fit with their pre-conceived conclusion seem to them to be valid because they're measuring validity against the conclusion they've come with. Those not fitting their pre-conceived conclusion seem to be invalid to them because they don't fit with their conclusion. They figure that even if the data in those that don't seem valid to them are from carefully controlled studies with no flaws, there must be some error somewhere because the results couldn't be true--they don't fit with what they are certain is true--their preconceived conclusion.

And so, for them, they are certain the selection of notecards with facts they choose to believe demonstrate that the mind is in the brain. They really believe that. Never mind the other third or half of the notecards they've shoved under the table. They couldn't be valid because they demonstrate a conclusion that's impossible (in their pre-conceived view).

We, on the other hand, leave all the cards on the table and work at finding conclusions that contain them all. We don't deny the materialist's facts. The real difference between the materialists and we who are examining all the facts is in our willingness to let truth be found wherever the assembly of facts on the table take us. We aren't proselytizing to a belief system the way the religions and materialists are. We aren't starting with conclusions and then accepting only the facts that fit those conclusions. It's that openness to all facts and desire to include them all in the most parsimonious conclusion that distinguishes us from the materialists, not the conclusions to which we come. Their arguments are valid for the limited facts they'll accept. They just don't accommodate all we now know to be true.

Let's keep in contact.

Love and peace, Craig

 



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